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Sat May 30, 2009 7:36 pm • Post subject:
Yards with riggings and sails.
带索具和帆的帆桁
Sat May 30, 2009 8:16 pm • Post subject:
A question: Have you installed the sails "full size" as shown in the plans, or have you reduced them in size for furling?
They look just right.
一个问题：你有没有安装如图纸所显示的“全尺寸”帆，或你已经卷起减少了它们的大小？ 它们看来恰到好处。
Keith.
Sat May 30, 2009 8:32 pm • Post subject:
Hello Keith.
I have installed the sails "full size"as shown on the first photoes of my previous post. It's no reason to make full size and reduced after. But I furl the soak sails.
如我前面提供的第一张照片显示，我安装了“全尺寸”帆。没有理由制作全尺寸然后减少。但我卷起来浸泡帆。
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Regards Alexander
Sat May 30, 2009 9:33 pm • Post subject:
Hi Roma,
Hmm! So soaking them in water (same as Hamedal) enables getting them to look about 2/3 the diameter of the yard?
I have tried them dry & they are too fat at the centre.
哼！因此，它们在水中浸泡（同Hamedal一样）使它们看起来约是帆桁直径的2/3？ 我试图让它们干燥，它们中间太胖。
Best, Keith.
Sun May 31, 2009 6:25 am • Post subject:
Hello,
The work on this model is excellent but for the sails, I can notice a small anomaly. The french Mediterranean vessels are using sails made with a cotton cloth named "cotonine" whose color is very clear, almost white. Your sails are too dark and do not correspond to the color of the time.
It's a pity!
这方面的工作是出色的，但对于模型的帆，我可能注意到小的异常。法国的地中海的航行的船只使用的是称为“cotonine”的棉布制作的帆，其颜色是非常清爽的，几乎是白色。您的帆太暗，不符合的当时的颜色。
很遗憾！
Regards,
Gérard Delacroix
Sun May 31, 2009 9:24 am • Post subject:
Hello, Gerard.
Thank you very much for your comments. To begin with, please, take into consideration the fact that when the photos were taken the cloth of the sails was wet and in reality the colour of the sails is much lighter - light-light grey.
At one time I was interested in the history of France a lot and I know very well that the cotton does not grow in France, and the material was produced of hemp and flax, like in Russia. At that time "cotonine" was very expensive and obviously, the sails from it were made for the Royal galleys and ships of very rich court people. And it is most likely that for the ordinary xebec the sails were made of material produced by France, even if they sailed in the Mediterranean sea. (If you saw my galley La Real, you could notice that the sails there are practically white).
Anyway, I am very glad that you look through my topic. Thank you for your advice.
非常感谢你的意见。首先，请考虑到，拍照片的的时候帆的布是湿，实际上帆的颜色很淡，淡淡的灰色。
有一段时间，我对法国历史上的很多事情很感兴趣，我非常清楚的知道，在法国不种植棉花，而种植大麻和亚麻，如在俄罗斯。在那个时候“cotonine”非常昂贵，而且很明显，用它制作的帆适合于皇家战舰和非常富有的宫廷人士的船。对于普通小型三桅船是由法国材料制作的帆，是最有可能的，即使他们航行在地中海。（如果你看到我的皇家战舰，你可以注意到，几乎是白色的帆）。
无论如何，我很高兴，你仔细看我的帖子。谢谢你的建议。
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Regards Alexander
Sun May 31, 2009 1:12 pm • Post subject:
Hello,
I am sorry to contradict you but there is no mention of economic considerations on the price of cotonine in any ancient text. All vessels using this Mediterranean canvas that I have met often in my studies on the marine in the south (of France).
Look at the time iconography, the sails of chebec, galleys and other tartans are a remarkably white.
Yours are just a little dark, but do not worry, we will say they are old .
对不起，我要反驳你，但在任何古代文字中在cotonine的价格上没有提到经济方面的考虑。所有船只使用地中海的帆布，在我的对南部（法国）海洋的研究中，我经常遇到它们。
看看那时候的插图，chebec、战舰和其他tartans的帆明显是白色的。
你是一点点暗，但不要担心，我们会说，他们是旧的。
Gérard Delacroix
Sun May 31, 2009 2:19 pm • Post subject:
Thank You, Gerard.
Ofcourse You are right. Let us say that sails of my chebec is very very old. In any case to change the sails on the models not very hard work.
当然，你说得对。让我们说，我的帆是非常非常旧的。在任何情况下，改变模型上的帆不是很困难的工作。
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Regards Alexander
Sun May 31, 2009 2:31 pm • Post subject:
Hello Keith.
Please make an experiment - take two similar pices of material (one dry, second soak) and furl on the yard. You will see the difference.
请做一个实验：取两块相同材料的布片（一块是干的，一块湿透）和卷在帆桁上。你会看到其中的差别。
Regards Alexander |
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